Cars Q&A

Maybe it has something to do with the reputation of the maker? Maybe something to do with the fact that not all cars look old and haggard and start rattling within a few years of usage? Maybe because most of the other cars really please the owners!?

and, may be some fools still hell bent on criticizing TATA.

i`v always stood up for tata.. yes it used to make rubbish but since it started to get engines from fiat they are amazing. i was quite astonished when i took new indigo for a test drive.. they are cheap too compared to other competents.

I think tata dont feed those experts but pass that to costomer so the cars have decent price tag

Actually what fears u is not the engine but other host of parts problems which still manufactured by TATA. Although engine may be good(FIAT) but other parts like clutch, electrical etc and service are equally important and may make the good engine experience bad. I am also contemplating buying MANZA but am giving myself sufficient research time to make my decision . I have just came across a site "http://www.mywoes.com/viewcomplaint.asp?compid=81&page=1" which contains hell lot of tata owners suffering.The complains are for all models of TATA (including new indigo XL)and the new one MANZA too(although few for MANZA since its new car). After all this research I planned to delay my purchase of MANZA for few months.There might be still some issues that there r more issues fot TATA cars then any other brand.

MR.B S KUMAR,
R u really a owner of any vehicle.
or still using ur old bicycle which having only rear brakes and no mud guards.

he needs a fitting reply by all the proud owners of Tata vehicles. we must all combine together and file a defamation case as well as a public nuisance case against Sri B.S. Kumar. More over,he does not feel proud in calling himself a genuine product of India. And in some previous case he woke up late and provided his expert advice after 272 days of posting the question when he found that the matter was relating to a TATA product. Such people do not have to stay in India but can live in Korea as sweepers in Hyudai plant .

vishoo I agree Mr. Kumar didn't use right language or he may have generalized few experiences. But can u explain why tata cars have more number of complains(not only functions but major area relating to engine , clutch etc) then any other manufacturer(please refer to "http://www.mywoes.com/viewcomplaint.asp?compid=81&page=1" with innumerable complain against TATA products). although we r proud to be Indians and take pride on Indian manufactured quality goods but a person who has spent his hard earned money, he wants quality and can't let go any company lapses because its an Indian company.If we as Indian consumers take pride they as Indian should also do the same and return in same faith. Although we may say they r Koreans/Japanese/Germans but still the quality of cars they produce are better since they have more experience in doing that.Its globalization time and a consumer wants a quality good , whoever give it.

varinder my dear,


when I bought Tata Safari, I never mishandled it and took proper care of it. That is the reason, she has given me a very good service so far and never let me down or made me go through any embarrassing moment. Any car for that matter needs a loving treatment at the hands of the master. Careless treatment of the car always lands one in trouble. Hope you understand that.

Oooh! Touched a lot of raw nerves here I can see! National pride should never be the basis of liking or choosing a car. People in the USA are embarrassed about GM, Ford, Chrysler etc. because the Japanese and German cars are far superior in every way. Even Korean manufacturers have climbed great heights in the quality ladder, so why not an Indian company? Why finally the decision to buy the Fiat engine? Does anybody remember the famous indigenous "Kaveri" engine for our Light Combat Aircraft? Why are we not using it now? Just because it is Indian, or because it didn't produce the thrust to lift our proud "Indian" plane fast enough to protect our motherland? Patriotism is a poor substitute for quality.

oh B>S Kumar...


so why not let those americans , germans and Koreans rule our country and loot India? Why we need patriotism?? Patriotism never considered a good thing when one is not loyal to his country. If we go by your view, all indians have to shut our ass and get screwed by the foreigners.

vishoo. U maintain a car u reap the benefits over the period of time no doubt it.Am extremely happy u enjoying your TATA Safari ride. But what am trying to make a point is why there r more manufacturing defects (which is not related to owners maintenance at all) in tata cars than in any other brands. Why there r so many complains on manufacturing defects, service against tata cars .please refer to the link i mentioned in my earlier reply u will realize.There is a complain of engine falling down in a new vista saffire(no accident) due to faulty fitting .although the company rectified it but its a huge defect and WHY more in tata cars.

Well..........It looks a fight is going on here ;)
I am having a TATA Vista TDI since January last year.
Everytime I visit server center (which is very frequent) I gave them 9 out of 10 for their service.
Why?
Because everytime i go there they fix a problem which was there form the day i purchased.
Last time they fixed the ever-incresing noice of engine by fixing the Power steering pump. And I felt very happy and again given them 9/10.
The car is full of service scope because of poor quality parts used in the car by TATA. (I hope Mr. Ratan Tata is reading this).
Tata cars never give the "Happiness of owning a Car" to its buyers. And that is why people get frustrated and start giving disturbing comments....it is just a way to vent their feelings.... :)

Here Mr sharma's Vista, is another evidence of TATA faulty machines.Mr. Sharma if u can share how many visits and what nature. Your car must be in warranty. Sorry to say would be great expense when it out of warranty.So do u think MANZA would be better quality since its an extension of vista.

Hey guys I agree with Varinder's View. I bought a Brand new Indigo CS 2 months back and I went to the service station twice for the clutch repair. I am feeling like in hell after buying this Bull shit, Its my independent view bcoz I faced this problem. No need to answer me back. Thank you all

I am patiently watching all the comments varinder., so that we can start a healthy debate on it. Let me get prepared with all the statistics and facts to defend my stand on "support made in India" agenda. In the due course I will also try to explain why the Kaveri Jet engine failed. By the way much is needed to alter the average indian thinking so that we can build a strong India. Hope you will understand this point and co operate. Rest of the viewers are also welcome to join this debate as we badly need it in the general interest of our country's progress.

Vishoo I am not saying that tata doesn't provide good cars. They have progressed pretty well with their indigenous technology and in future they will start providing great perfect car and also add to it they have also taken over one of the worlds greatest car company.But what am bothered is why their cars have more number of manufacturing defects than any other manufacturer and am not saying that all their cars are defective.We already have two people in this debate acknowledging the same with their Tata vehicles.Myself am greatly impressed by MANZA test drive but want to be absolutely sure before spending my money with out being patriotic.since if anything goes wrong with the vehicle I don't think that Tata will appreciate me being patriotic while buying the car.

varinder dear,

If thats the case just follow your instincts and don't get confused or misled by any opinions.

Happy to have started such an exhaustive debate on the quality of tata Vista Q or in other words whether or not to buy it. I gather the experience of tata cars is as similar from person to person as the 5 fingers in ons's hand. Vishu and Suraj are for it and all the others are against it. Please let others to join so that yes and no data sample becomes larger. as it is there is still a month before I will make a final purchase.

Vishoo seems to had a pleasure experience with a Tata product. But still my question is unanswered "Why their cars have more number of manufacturing defects than any other manufacturer and am not saying that all their cars are defective"

its interesting to read the comments by various people and their experiences ,being a tata owner myself and having owned 10 tatas in last 11 yrs average running 330 kms per day i feel these vehicles do not trouble u if u care about them right from the begining ,i just get my cars seviced on time and make sure my driver gets the specified oil, filters and other spares used , i have not faced any problems by these vehicles, may be im lucky, keeping aside the patriotic veiwpoint i find these vehicles are value for money and may be thats the reason tatas have maintained a regular sales figure ,as far as people like bs kmr is concerned who cares for such comments where there is no reason or personal experience to support your critisism ,ive repeteadly asked kmr to give a reasons for his critisism but he always shies away .for mr varinder my suggestion is to wait for some time and research bit more before putting money on the manza,my advice to vishnoo avoid people who are hellbent on proving a point without reasoning any body who puts in money on a product is not a fool facts and figures speak for themseves .

why not sue the tatas if their products are faulty why just speak on a website, im very satisfied tata customer but tommorow if i find manufacturing defects in many vehicle why would i wait, go ahead and sue the company like they have done to the toyotas in the u.s.,Mr kmr why dont u start the fight for a noble cause and save the customers from the tatas job urself if u have the facts and figures .and yes koriean cars are not considered quality cars in the u.s .

Buddy u can try suing the company (Toyota way) in India too but the judiciary in India is not for justice but to spread further pain to the already effected customer.The compensation is pathetic and the mental agony suffered by the customer has not value at all.So people shy away.So its always better to take precautions in the beginning.

Thats what I suggested to Mr varinder Singh. If he has already developed prejudice against Tata quality, better to skip purchasing Tata brand, however good Tata vehicles may be. With a negative view point and with negative thoughts, no one can enjoy life and mostly such people tend to curse themselves for buying the vehicle at the instance of others. It is better to buy a vehicle as per one's gut feeling , rather than getting confused by reading many comments and end up buying no vehicle at all. I bought my safari, Lancer and esteem because I liked them (more with a heart ruling over the head) and did not ask anyone else before making the purchase. I am happy with my decision and touch wood, even if some thing worse happens in the future, I do not have any one to blame at , for influencing me to buy those vehicles.

the cars made in india are pathetic the judiciary according to you is pathetic ,the whole system in india according to certain pepole is worst,the roads are even worse,so we have ample time disscussing things coz you dont need to spend anything from your pocket .critisism without reason ,talking big without action ,so lets wait for all the lights to go green before we step on the road,i again ask the so called harrassed customers of tata motors to sue the company for damages if you are really finding manufacturing defects in your cars after all its your hard earned money so why not take some action instead of talking big on a site ,set an example for others too that you are serious enough to get justice despite finding everything around you pathetic, spend some money spend some time then talk big and even i will accept and appreciate your gesture inspite of being a tata loyal coz these vehicles havent troubled me.

Great method of building opinion about a particular product or maybe against it ,new and unique marketing strategy

Mr singh
you seem to answer your own quetions most of the times ,twice you ve asked about tata products and given arguments against the vista and manza yourself i think skmr is right while saying great and unique strategy and even i did not find anything worthy about the engine falling of cars on the site you mentioned, can u pls give us the no.of the person so that we can also share his experience .

I have not made up stories nor am against TATA cars nor aganist Indian judiciary. When it comes to indian Judicial system its self visible with no. of cases lying with consumer courts, civil, high courts. Mr Rajiv if u think if its so easy to sue a company and get some thing out of it, u r mistaken. My best friend infact u can say brother is a social lawyer, consumer activist ,legal expert in consumer affairs and remits his services free to needy people. I have some idea how justice is being butchered in india. we r living in a world of illusion with all needs met and not aware of things happening outside our house.You only experience the frustration once u become part of it. The picture is not at all rosy and I have several cases to support my argument.Now lets come back to the engine falling incident please refer to the link (http://www.consumercourt.in/car/9091-complaint-against-tata-motors-manufacturing-faults-tata-indica-vista.html)and it contains the owners mobile number(Abhineet Jindal
Mob:- 9819726888, mumbai).U guys r free to talk to him on the issue. U can also refer to http://www.mywoes.com/viewcomplaint.asp?compid=81&... for the owners problems.Infact I wanted to buy MANZA was just researching to clarify my doubts on the tata cars as I have come across more people buying TATA cars facing manufacturing defects..If am convinced will buy the car , so nothing personal with people who owns Tata cars.So guys nothing against nation of owners just a pure debate.

Mr varinder singh
im very well aware about the condition of indian judiciary and other conditions prevailing in our country but you tell us what is the solution to this problem,when a person is facing problems with a company's product, is dissatified with the product or services and still does not want to take action against the said company coz he fears agony by the judicial system .well mr singh there is no guarantee in life you cant be absolutely sure about things ,recently i ve seen a honda accord burnt to cinders in dwarka delhi so what can be done either you take the company to the courts for mnufacturing defects or if you fear agony and do not beleive in our system you sit in your home doing nothing. boss itna risk to spiderman ko bhi lena parta hai. and yes the system in india wont improve by themselves its our population which is to be blamed rather than anything else.

Namaskar to every one. Just my own thoughts.. Nothing serious.. The reason we indians tend to take things for granted and just concentrate on our own well being and not the nation as a whole is that, slavery is in our genes as we were ruled by kings since ages. India was not at all a democratic country since time immemorial. Nobody has the guts to question the system. We never get united and fight for our rights because we are busy just thinking about ourselves . The multi nationals consider the growing population of india as a great asset, even though it is a burden to our own government and economy, because they can sell more toothpaste, more soaps, more consumer durables and more outdated technology to the people who lack knowledge , national pride and self esteem. Jaago Bharath Jaago. Kick out the Multi nationals who are trying to loot indians and Indian wealth. Be Indian.. Buy Indian. At the same time fight for your rights without feeleeing helpless.

thankx vishnoo for your thoughts.i agree to some extent with your suggestions BUT my point here is something else,what i want to say is im a very satisfied tata motors customer till date maybe coz i personally take interest in my vehicles ,if tommorow i find that the product sold to me is substandard and has manufacturing defects i will not have second thoughts in taking the company to the courts and will stand firm for my rights and at that moment wont care if its a tata product or anything else ,i ll not care about agony and the pathetic system whatsoever ,in the same tune i ask all the customers to take some action if a product or service is substandard and not in accordance to the prescribed quality after all its a matter of ur hard earned money.better to take stand urself than talk big on a sight trying to build a wrong impression about things and waiting for others to take action from the comforts of ur homes. and quality is in accordance to what u pay.eg: if u expect indigo cs to have the quality of a honda city or for that matter nano to have the safety of a vw beetle its ur fault not tata motors.choice is always yours.

People are going to courts for compensation for the defective products sold by the manufacturers. But the laws have lot of loop holes so the manufacturers get away fully or by paying meager compensation for material things and nothing for the mental agony that a customer goes through. So the laws need to be updated as they r pre 1947 manufactured by our Gora rulers and later process will take its own sweet time.lets hope for the best.

if there are loopholes in the law its for everybody ,not only for companies you dont sign an agreement with a car manufacturer, if their advocate can find the loopholes of law why cant you or your advocate find it for your favour and mr singh it would be better if we stop discussng an imaginary situation showing the whole world our mental fears and how confident we feel ,whats our faith in ourselves and our system ,we always find flaws with our products our law our system bcoz we find the grass always greener on the other side and in todays global condition why stay and buy anything indian if you dont have faith in anything around you and find everything wrong around you right from cars to roads to judicial system.

Lets Get back to the topic. These arguments on judiciary / system can go on and on, so no use.some body had asked me the number of the person whose vista car engine fell down.I had already posted his Tel no. and link in my previous reply.here is the link- http://www.consumercourt.in/car/9091-complaint-against-tata-motors-manufacturing-faults-tata-indica-vista.html)Abhineet Jindal
Mob:- 9819726888, mumbai.So guys go ahead and talk to the owner who faced a awesome fatal issue with his Tata car.